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Magali Rincon

Magali Rincon — Mon, 11 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

It’s a shame women in any part of the world have to put up with this, but you’re right — being meek won’t change things. Stand up for yourself!

Ekta

Ekta — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Girls have to be bold enough to bash a man who dares misbehave with her then and there. This will increase her confidence and scare away the culprit.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Apart from this, they should also dress properly and respect the rights of people around. Rights come with responsibilities.

Nazish

Nazish — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

SSH has, no doubt, become a very common practice and, sadly enough, goes unchecked in spite of its severe criminal nature.I guess 90% of this criminal practice never gets reported, in our part of the world, and the victim continues to suffer in silence.Veils or jeans, nothing is safe. What good can be expected of a society where law enforcers, in uniform, on roads, are adept in this vile art of eve teasing.

I’d, here, really like to have comments from men as to what brings their gender to indulge into SSH and what behavior from women can keep them safer against it.

Good post Anusha! A subject that needs to be sorted out, finally.

Brajesh

Brajesh — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

A simple and sober behavior of women can prevent such incidents to happen. It’s a harsh reality that girls do provoke the boys for such acts.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@ Brajesh

what a pig! Saying the girls are responsible is reprehensible! Nothing a girl does provokes any of it, those men are just filthy dogs who have no respect for women.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

Going by the logic used by you the women who have filed fake sexual harassment cases,senior female employees who sexually harass their male staff,the female collegians who hurl abusive language on freshers are FILTHY BITCHES!!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

So where is this fantasy world of yours where 90% of men are being sexually harassed?

When poled, 90 to 95% of women had been subject to eve teasing. Every newspaper in the world has done articles on the outrageous amount of street harassment of women.

If so many women are filing FAKE cases, how were there so few cases filed last year? Were all fakes and no actual harassment is going on? Then why are there so many videos and news reports of it happening?

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/eveteased-by-police-recruits-du-girls-up-in-arms/48950-3.html

I guess this 10 year old girl was provoking her harassment?

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/45521/accused-denies-eveteasing-10yrold–reporters-blog.html

or this school girl, lured by a teacher then gang raped?

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/45521/accused-denies-eveteasing-10yrold–reporters-blog.html

how was this girl provoking from inside a moving car?

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/one-more-noida-gangrape-accused-arrested/82181-3.html?from=search-relatedstories

I did not see one scantly clad women in this video, so why are they being harassed?

http://video.aol.in/video-detail/a-reality-check-from-indias-safest-city/1566953239

The answer is in this video.

http://video.aol.in/video-detail/a-night-out-against-eve-teasing/3426603507/?icid=VIDURVNWS01

http://video.aol.in/video-detail/chennais-eve-teasing-track-record/2917646928/?icid=VIDURVNWS07

There are thousands more where these came from, now you show me where men are being treated the same way?

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”So where is this fantasy world of yours where 90% of men are being sexually harassed?”

When did I say ”90%”?

Thank God!It’s not 90% because feminists are not as successful in India as they are in US..haha

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

Sharing the experience of this gentleman.Only to tell you what’s going on in our society.In other words,the other less discussed shades.I am not posting as an counter argument but only to shed light as where are we heading towards :

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Before I started writing this post, I wanted to name it ’Eve Teasing’. However, to my surprise, here is the Wikipedia definition of Eve Teasing -

”Eve teasing is a euphemism used in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan for sexual harassment or molestation of women by men.”

What? Its a euphemism only in the sub continent? No way! Moreover, the more important part is to notice the victim here - women.

Being from Delhi, I have been often involved in discussions on how the rape capital of India houses ill mannered males. Worse, much of the lesser harassments every day on the streets of Delhi goes unreported and unopposed. I used the term ’eve teasing’ as a casual reference to sexual harassment in its oral form from both sexes.

Until last night.

Walking towards our car parked a few blocks from Adams Morgan, (read my previous experiences here from the summer of ’06), the five of us were having a good time at 3 AM on a Friday night. Amongst the gang were four college friends from 3 cities and 2 countries meeting after a long time.

”Haaaaaayyyy!!!”

The shout of a woman from somewhere across the street broke the string of Ma-Behen curse words floating for a long time. As I turned to look around, a big SUV with tinted glasses was crawling parallel to us. Inside it were 4-5 girls in their early twenties - all dressed nicely in party clothes.

”Haaay you guys, I love you all so much. I loooooooooove Indian guys. You guys are ALLLLLL f***ing virgins. I want to de-virginize you tonight. You wanna come with me tonight? I’ll eat you like a chocolate....”

In the volleys of ’We love you too baby’ cries going back and forth, something struck me for the first time. I had just been a victim of Adam Teasing (Yes, there is a Wiki word for it). It was sickening. I mean honestly, I don’t mind dirty talking after being drunk. But more importantly, I have always been on the giving end all my life. The girls left within a minute or so but I knew that I had lost something right then and there - my oft spoken ”Jiyo Maal Jiyo R**** Jiyo C*****i” anthem (my demeaning reaction on seeing a ’beautiful’ girl - note change in lingo :D ).

I could never imagine how disgusting it could be to be ’eaten’ by some stranger. I somewhat knew that the fastest reproducing racial group on this planet could be seen as sexually deprived. To top it all, I was sure that 4 out of the 5 of us were virgins.

www.ujjwalmoitra.com/2008/02/adam-teasing.html

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Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

since 90% of women are sexually harassed, it is only equality if 90% of men are sexually harassed...right? You want in on your share the victimhood, you don’t want to be left out of the attention, right?

Well show me where an amount of men, equal to the amount of women are being victimized and not just 1 or 2 isolated incidences, and I might feel sorry for you.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Arvind,

That article had nothing to do with India, it was in Washington DC, USA, which also has the highest crime rate in the nation and he went to a sleazy part of town. He knew exactly what he was getting into... because this was in one of his previous posts....

”””The most recent was was this last Saturday. Four of us headed towards Adam’s Morgan in the heart of DC. Since I had come to this region, I was filled up with stories about this drunkard’s paradise.”””

DRUNKARD’S PARADISE!!!He heard the stories and wanted to go, he did go

Don’t act like there are no red light districts in India either, there are prostitute districts in every country.

”””my inhibitions on shooting off glances to the stereotyped ’horny american bitches’ was gone.”””

He was looking for trouble and he found it. Why are you surprised at that?

”””I mean honestly, I don’t mind dirty talking after being drunk. But more importantly, I have always been on the giving end all my life.”””

See that...he had ALWAYS been on the giving end of the harassment. He didn’t have respect for women, but he is shocked to find they have no respect for him?

Did you read the comments?

You could have said that you were not interested in any ’pre-owned stuff’.

”Jiyo Maal Jiyo R**** Jiyo C*****i” ...I remember that!!! :D

@fuzzy: Its tough to find new stuff which has not yet been owned ever.

OWNED???? OWNED???? DID THEY SAY OWNED????? HUMMMMM! Now with that kind of attitude towards women, do you see why they have no trouble treating women badly on the sidewalks in broad daylight?

I do feel badly for him though, even if he chose to go to a bad part of town, late at night, drunk..... Those um ladies (I use the term loosely) were uncouth and were drunk and disorderly, all they had to do was call the cops and they would have been picked up.

Still it has nothing to do with Eve teasing in India.

Ekta

Ekta — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Another bullshit from Brajesh....4 yr girl gets raped by a worker.

The kid must have provoked him, right?

Girls gets raped by their father, cousine, father in law....they all must be busy seducing men in their own families, right?

Do girls in your families seduce you guys as well, this goes for Rohan as well.

Come out of your double standards!

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Yes,such gestures are distasteful.The aggressive stance of girls can ward off the eve teasers.

However,you cannot ignore the changes that have hit the society.What about the conditionings created day and night by so many sources that treat women no better than sex object?

You also cannot deny the fact that dress one wears speaks lot about one’s personality.If women are so bothered about eve teasing what’s make them wear revealing clothes ?

I do agree woman of our times are facing lot of problems.However,it’s time to realize that times have changed.Every age gives rise to peculiar set of problems.

Have you witnessed ragging sessions ?Girls too participate in them and force the boys to perform all sorts of indecent acts.They too also indulge in immoral and indecent gestures on road.

I am not trying to lessen the intensity of problems faced by women.But it would be nothing short of hypocrisy if I ignore that women have become hypersensitive.They know that a little tact combined with aggressive stance can save them from such gestures.Still they create a tamasha.

So learn to handle such unwanted acts with smarter use of brains.

Sometimes back on IB I read a wonderful observation by an American lady wherein she has stated that most of us take it as a compliment when someone says ”Sexy” to them.

The other way to react is to become angry and think of beating blue and black the person who said it.This is cent percent an Indian girl’s standard response.If that’s the case,they are still trapped in worn out methods of women of ancient times.The evolved women will react like an American lady.

Receive it with smile instead of creating ”halla” or astonishing mess.

And yes,please don’t understand I am trying to endorse the acts of eve teasers.I am also not diluting the pain felt by the women.I am just trying to view the issue from an evolved perspective.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

They are NOT wearing revealing clothing, didn’t you read the article? They are wearing Sari, Hijab and it is happening to all women. Indian women have been wearing exactly the same thing for centuries, so why now all of a sudden is it ok to molest them?

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

You are so eager to response that you don’t read the responses/articles.I have sated the factor responsible for it in my comment.Please read well before commenting!!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

””You also cannot deny the fact that dress one wears speaks lot about one’s personality.If women are so bothered about eve teasing what’s make them wear revealing clothes ?”””

I did read it, you assumed that the women must like being harassed and dress to invite harassment even thought the OP stated quiet clearly that ALL women, in All mode of dress were being harassed.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

I still say you didn’t read it.That’s because you are more interested in stating what’s there in your closed mind than reading what others have to say on certain issue !!

Anyway, I am really enlightened to know that revealing clothes mean nothing.Well,it’s certainly not an open invitation to harass but then it does mean something.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

your idea of revealing is what? a wrist? an ankle? maybe an ear?

Even if the woman was wearing a bikini in the middle of the city, it still means nothing, you are responsible for your behavior no matter what. Only you can control your own behavior, no one else.

The way YOU talk, I thought the women were walking around stark naked!!!

I scrolled through dozens of newspaper articles and news casts from the past few weeks, I never saw any revealing clothes on any Indian woman.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Tue, 12 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

It rarely ever happens in America because American women walk up straight and tall, shoulders back and proud, we look people in the eye and we don’t look afraid. We have attitude! Men don’t mess with us. If men do it, give them the stone cold stare!!! Men also know that they might get sprayed with pepper spray or shocked with a Tazer if they mess with us.

Don’t let the men lie to you either, they will try to tell you that Western women like it, they also spread the lie women like being raped too. Never take it as a compliment, because it is never a compliment it is always an insult.

The reason it is happening is because of the women’s movement, they think if they can scare you enough, you will crawl back into the house and cook their dinner and wash their socks. It happened here too. It will pass, you just have to be strong.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”We have attitude! Men don’t mess with us.”

Hats off to such attitude !It’s time for Indian women to imbibe the same spirit in a right way !!

Anyway, the battle of superiority is taking place at cost of intimacy between the opposite sex !

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

””Anyway, the battle of superiority is taking place at cost of intimacy between the opposite sex !””””

SAY WHAT????? tell me you were kidding? Intimacy between the opposite sex is MORE not less. You talk out of both sides of your mouth, you complain that the women are getting too sexual and then say that they aren’t sexual enough....make up your mind, which is it?

Wonda L

Wonda L — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Nuya

I agree with you

The only castle a human has is their bodies and just as one wants their castle respected we should all respect other human castles and unless your invited in or to touch the castle then hands off

Males think because they plundered and raped castles all through history that they have a right to push thier will on any female castle they want- but nowadays they could get a drawbridge dropped on the weakest part of their shaky castles

Men pushed their will on woman all through history and woman had no choice but take it, now that in a few places woman push back a little men don’t like it and cry like babies

For thoes babies again woman will have to coddle men as when they were babies to make them feel better

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Wayne,

”Males think because they plundered and raped castles all through history that they have a right to push thier will on any female castle they want- but nowadays they could get a drawbridge dropped on the weakest part of their shaky castles”

Men plundered not for themselves but for their women and families. Moreover, women will do the same and are already doing it. We have women Leaders who are as bad. Don’t spread you misandry here to impress women.

”Men pushed their will on woman all through history and woman had no choice but take it, now that in a few places woman push back a little men don’t like it and cry like babies

For thoes babies again woman will have to coddle men as when they were babies to make them feel better”.

Another rubbish from you. Oh yes, you are right. It is this same pushing by men that is causing 94% of deaths of men in wars and in the course of duties. Unlike earlier times, women can afford to work outside as the dangers from nature has completely vanished and man-made machinery is available. As long as there were no machines and danger from nature was high, men were asked to work and provide for women. Now, with that having gone women want to compete and control men. And guys like you conveniently forget that part. Its betrayal of men and it is insult to injury! Babies? Yes, we become cry babies when we point out to this discrepancy. So much for your intolerance. Oh, maybe you are trying to impress your women. BTW, you did’t have the guts to give me your bank account details. You want to see other men perish but never yourself.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan, you are NOT perishing!!

Quit being such a cry baby! You might be a tiny bit put out but you are not anywhere near perishing!

Quit exaggerating, no one has castrated you and no one is going to, you will be fine, I promise.

Men in every industrialized country in the world have survived the women’s rights movement, you will too.

Lay off Wayne, he happens to be one of the enlightened ones who knows you can’t bring civilization forward while leaving 50% of the population behind.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

Men in the west are half-perished and the effects of feminism are already showing up on them. Wayne is another of those sex-starved, desperate, guy who will do anything for his sexual needs. Feminism is one route for him where he pleases women like you and hopes to get something.

You have no where answered the queries that I have put forth and my strong reasoning. It is better for you to answer them rather than divert the issue.

Wayne is not for equality. He is for women’s domination. He’s probably even a masochist and probably into BDSM. So, his logic is coloured by his emotions and sexuality. Not by actual facts.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan, your reasoning is faulty, your logic fuzzy.

You think men in America are sex starved? You really do live in a fantasy world.

You argue women deserve to be raped and molested because of what they wear, even those in full burka. What you are really saying is that women do not deserve to be out of their houses.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”You argue women deserve to be raped and molested because of what they wear, even those in full burka. What you are really saying is that women do not deserve to be out of their houses”

This is a deliberate twist to what I have stated and this shows the intention of feminists to avoid all responsibilities for their rights. When did I say that women deserve to be raped, either in burkha or in bikinis? I am advocating responsibilities for women for their freedom and I am quoting the distress men have to face when they encounter show-offs from women. Nowhere did I say that women deserve to be raped. But feminists want to avoid the question of responsibility and hence twist facts.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Western men die some five years earlier than women. They suffer more from nearly every medical disease and ailment that there is. And yet, far more money is spent by governments on women’s health than on men’s health. Men are also nowadays educationally disadvantaged significantly compared to women; with the curriculum, the teaching methods and the resources being designed to cater far more for women and girls than for men and boys. Men make up 80% of the homeless. There are more of them in social service care-homes as boys. They are many times more likely to be wrongfully arrested, wrongfully imprisoned, mugged, assaulted or murdered. They are 5 times more likely to lose their children when families break down, 4 times more likely to lose their homes, 4 times more likely to commit suicide, 20 times more likely to be killed or injured at work, 20 times more likely to be imprisoned, and, probably, more than 100 times more likely to be demeaned, denigrated and ridiculed by the mainstream media. Men also pay much more in taxes than women but receive far less in benefits from the government. In other words, when compared to women, men are significantly disadvantaged when it comes to their health, their lifespans, their homes, their children, their education, their families, the tax burden, the law, the benefit system, and even when it comes to their own personal safety. They are nowadays also being heavily discriminated against in the work place. How is it possible, therefore, that women are being ’oppressed’ more than men? In what areas? Where?

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Men are more likely to be macho showoffs and not go to the doctor when they need to and take risks that they don’t have to because they are hard headed, not because of anything women do.

Men will jump in a tank of sharks or in front of a herd of charging bulls to show how brave they are, women not so much. That is their choice, no one makes them do foolish things.

As far as taxes, I don’t know about India, but nowhere on our documents do we even indicate gender or race, everyone pays the same percentage. Those who make more money pay more tax, simple as that. So if you pay a woman less than you pay a man, of course she will pay less tax.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Unlike you, who would use filthy words against your own dad, I don’t. Nor would my mother use foul language like feminists do.

I don’t use filthy words, I don’t call people b*tches or talk about wiping bloody asses like you do.

I have no reason to talk disrespectfully to my father, he doesn’t hate women like you do.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”Men will jump in a tank of sharks or in front of a herd of charging bulls to show how brave they are, women not so much. That is their choice, no one makes them do foolish things.”

This is because society and women don’t want men to be liberated. Women want men to be in the medieval ages, protetcing and providing women, chivalrous to women and yet want women to be modern and liberated. It is the same society and women who want men to face danger and wars, rescue in natural calamities etc. while women and feminists would never ask for equality there. There is no other reason why in all wars, 94% of deaths of soldiers are of men. In some wars, all 100% is of men. Its the same with all rescue operations. Women want cosy jobs alone. and send the men for all the dangerous jobs. So, LIBERATE THE MEN. THEY ARE OPPRESSED!

”As far as taxes, I don’t know about India, but nowhere on our documents do we even indicate gender or race, everyone pays the same percentage.”

In India, women pay lesser percentage for the same pay.

”Those who make more money pay more tax, simple as that. So if you pay a woman less than you pay a man, of course she will pay less tax”.

This is your imagination. Women all over the world, especially in the west get the same wages as men for the same work. Its a manipulation of data by feminazis like you. In India, women pay less tax for the same wage as men.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”I don’t use filthy words, I don’t call people b*tches or talk about wiping bloody asses like you do.”

You have used filthy words - like asses. Instead of bitches, you use some other derogatory words. Oh yes, you do not see others using these words either. You only see your opponents using them.

”I have no reason to talk disrespectfully to my father, he doesn’t hate women like you do.”

As long as he supports women, it is fine with you. He can disrespect men right?

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

You are imagining things, I never did use any cuss words, I just copy and paste your words. You are projecting your woman hating views on me.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@ Anusha,

This is not as simple as being expressed. Sometimes, the men are alone at fault. Sometimes, women are also at fault. I have seen plenty of women dress up very provocatively and show off their legs, breasts etc. Can you expect the men to be like monks when they do it? The best way to prevent a crime is by not creating situations that manifest them. Now, feminists do not want this to happen as this would affect the business of women’s rights and of feminists.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Ekta,

Hey baby, mind your language! I never said that women in burkhas don’t get raped. This does not mean that women should dress as they like and provoke men. Women need to be responsible for their freedom and should not behave like bitches. Well, that is what you want women to be. Have total freedom without any responsibility.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

watch your language Rohan! If you can’t communicate civilly with strangers on the internet, we know you are not doing it in real life either.

Do you talk to your mother with that filthy mouth of yours?

As a matter of fact, what does your mother think of your hatred of women?

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”watch your language Rohan! If you can’t communicate civilly with strangers on the internet, we know you are not doing it in real life either.”

First, you should advice Ekta to have some civility before you tell me. I am not here to show my other cheek when I get slapped. I slap back!

”Do you talk to your mother with that filthy mouth of yours?”

Unlike you, who would use filthy words against your own dad, I don’t. Nor would my mother use foul language like feminists do.

”As a matter of fact, what does your mother think of your hatred of women?”

She knows that I don’t hate women and that I hate only feminists who are spoiling women.

Ekta

Ekta — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Oh Shut up! Men rape women dressed in Sarees and suits as well. What about them? Learn to control your organ. Period.

Wonda L

Wonda L — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan

I will give my hand in friendship!

Rohan –all the so called feminist in the world couldn’t be as cruel as just one cruel male

Like i said i love and respect woman for all they have to offer ,and especially for a bit of relief from this overpowering testosterone we live with

Now go and give your mother a hug

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Wayne,

You hand of friendship is fine but not your absurdly feminist thoughts. You cannot get worse than this. Its simply misandry! Get a life!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

He has a life, and that is what is pissing you off.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”He has a life, and that is what is pissing you off.”

A sub-human and subordinate life to women and without self-respect.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

A sub-human and subordinate life to women and without self-respect.

No that sounds more like your life because you are the one whining about women mistreating you, not him. If you had an ounce of self respect, you would not be here crying about how emasculated women make you feel. You would grow a pair and congratulate women for the progress they have made.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”No that sounds more like your life because you are the one whining about women mistreating you, not him. If you had an ounce of self respect, you would not be here crying about how emasculated women make you feel. You would grow a pair and congratulate women for the progress they have made.”

Its women misusing their power and dominating men all over, not just me. No self-respecting men would ever accept this. Masculinity is not about surrendering to women as you want them to. I wouldn’t congratulate women for the this ”Progress” which is all about dominating men and humiliating them! I am no fool to walk into your stupid trap! I am a liberated man! I complain about women when they are in the wrong. I don’t stick to old concepts of masculinity. I simply complain against feminists. Don’t try to bring in medieval concepts of masculinity. You must know whom you are talking to.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

In America the only men who object to women having rights are men like this...

http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/redneck_mentor.jpg

http://www.ahoffman.com/humor/images/Redneck.jpg

http://stuff.pyzam.com/funnypics/8/redneck.jpg

They are called Rednecks, lowbrow, uneducated, filthy, raciest, highly religious, abusive and clinging on to a brutal past. The believe that a woman’s place in in the house, having babies, waiting on men hand and foot and keeping their stupid mouths shut...or they are likely to get a fist in it.

REAL men are the exact opposite of these knuckledraggers. They are secure enough in their manhood to not have to demean a woman just to feel like a man.

Are there rednecks in India too?

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”They are called Rednecks, lowbrow, uneducated, filthy, raciest, highly religious, abusive and clinging on to a brutal past. The believe that a woman’s place in in the house, having babies, waiting on men hand and foot and keeping their stupid mouths shut...or they are likely to get a fist in it.”

Not really. Even the educated men are slowly realising the game played out by feminazis. Its just rights without resonsibilities! 50% of couples in America just live-in and are not married because marriage is a great risk for men. Men are scared of getting married. Its happening in India too as the marriage laws favour women.

”REAL men are the exact opposite of these knuckledraggers. They are secure enough in their manhood to not have to demean a woman just to feel like a man.”

The real goons and knuckledraggers are the feminists who are playing games. The real men understand these games and don’t fall prey to them. Manhood is not about falling prey to feminism. Nor is it about demeaning women. Its about standing for self-respect and rights of men. Feminists like you are feeling threatened as men are back!

”Are there rednecks in India too?”

There are female goons for sure and many men are waking up.

Kamlesh Saklani

Kamlesh Saklani — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

yes women have always suffered in the sociaty

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Kamlesh,

Haven’t men suffered? You only know one side of the story. What about the other?

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Carey Roberts column

Shattering rampant abuse myths

Carey Roberts

Carey Roberts

May 12, 2009

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/roberts/090512

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan,

again you have jumped the shark! that article you posted is by Christian terrorists, the same ones that George Bush belongs to.

They hate everyone except white men. If you can’t find even ”1” reputable article that should convince you that you are wrong.

Unless of course you are one of those Christian terrorists in which case you are defiantly wrong on everything.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”They hate everyone except white men. If you can’t find even ”1” reputable article that should convince you that you are wrong.”

There is no dearth of reputed articles anywhere on the blogospehere or Internet. Christian terrorists? Well, not surprising that feminists find anybody who is spiritual or religious and against their ideology a terrorist.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

There is no dearth of reputed articles anywhere on the blogospehere or Internet. Christian terrorists? Well, not surprising that feminists find anybody who is spiritual or religious and against their ideology a terrorist.

I dare you to deny that the religious fanatics in this country are the ones who are doing all the warmongering!!!!!!

Their so called ”spiritual ideology” is to kill and bomb and make war all over the world in case you haven’t noticed!!!!!

Is that what you want? You know, they wouldn’t side with you either, you are a little too brown for their taste.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”I dare you to deny that the religious fanatics in this country are the ones who are doing all the warmongering!!!!!!”

I deny it outright! Its not the religious fanatics who are invading other countries. It is not they who waged a war against Iraq. Its the oil lobby, the Contractors lobby, Arms lobby combined with arrogance of power of the American elite that started the invasion. Religious fanatics may be a minority in the west. Nothing works without the support and need for mega bucks.

”Their so called ”spiritual ideology” is to kill and bomb and make war all over the world in case you haven’t noticed!!!!!”

The minority of religious fanatics are not powerful enough to do that. Its the oil lobby, corporate lobby, contractors lobby, arms lobby to name a few who fund the political parties and call the shots behind the U.S. govts that started this war against Iraq.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

They are not a minority!!! They are the Christian Coalition that funded George Bush!!! They are the religious right, the republican party!!! They are the ones standing outside of prisons, holding bibles screaming for the death penalty. They are the Generals and heads of state that lead prayers before they decide who to bomb next!!!! They think they have the right to do whatever they want because they say god is on their side. They were strong enough to cheat their way into the Whitehouse, TWICE!

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”They are not a minority!!! They are the Christian Coalition that funded George Bush!!! They are the religious right, the republican party!!! They are the ones standing outside of prisons, holding bibles screaming for the death penalty. They are the Generals and heads of state that lead prayers before they decide who to bomb next!!!! They think they have the right to do whatever they want because they say god is on their side. They were strong enough to cheat their way into the Whitehouse, TWICE!”

Obviously, the majority of Americans are not this way. And you haven’t given me the direct answer to my question. I said, the lobbies are behind the wars. Its not the Christian right wing groups. It takes a lot of money to wage a war. Nothing can happen without enormous funding.

And what are feminists doing by the way? They are the right wing, extremist groups destroying men, familes etc. and preaching hatred. Hypocrats!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

You just don’t get it…there are 2 parties…the conservative, Republican Party and the Liberal democrat party,

The conservatives are the religious Christian party made up of almost all rich white men. They own everything; they have all the money because they used their religion to crush anyone who stands in their way. George Bush and Dick Cheney belong to this group.

The Liberals are the rest of America, the blacks, the poor, the woman, the gays, the recent immigrants, anyone who has been disenfranchised by the conservatives. This is the group that president Obama belongs to.

Anusha

Anusha — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Hi all,

This article was not written to create a ”DEBATE” or mail fight.

I have not mentioned that ”ALL” male category/specie is born to do eveteasing.

I have mentioned some, that means it could be 50 or 80 percent. I am not pointing all the male category is culprit. It is not a necessary or mandatory if a girl is wearing short skirt or deep neck, she should be teased. It happens to every girl, no matter what she is wearing and this is based on my personal experience.

Thank you for all those who supported.

Love all,

Anusha

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”It is not a necessary or mandatory if a girl is wearing short skirt or deep neck, she should be teased. It happens to every girl, no matter what she is wearing and this is based on my personal experience.”

You are missing the point. I agree with you that even Burkha clad women can be raped. But does that mean that all women can walk naked and expect nothing to happen? Does that mean that people can sport all kinds of jewellery and expect nothing to happen? What is the responsibility of women? You are only talking about what men should do or what they should not do. What about women? There is no unfettered freedom for anybody including women. So, do your part instead of pointing fingures at others. If you do your part, your position would become stronger than the way it is now. You are asking for unfettered freedom. Its impractical and it is also a violation of men’s rights. Its beyond eve teasing and rape. It is about responsibility of women.

Suryasnata

Suryasnata — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

How many women in India have you found wearing bikini and walking around on the streets? In my life so far, i have found none. You still have that primitive, 3rd grade mentality along with your associate Arvind. I feel bad for the women of your house, living with such conservative pieces of filth.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Suryanasta,

”How many women in India have you found wearing bikini and walking around on the streets? In my life so far, i have found none. You still have that primitive, 3rd grade mentality along with your associate Arvind. I feel bad for the women of your house, living with such conservative pieces of filth.”

I have seen enough women showing off their cleavage, legs, asses etc. on the roads. The reason is obvious. They want to show-off and get the perverse pleasure of making guys drool and suffer. Taking responsibilities for one’s actions cannot be termed primitive or 3rd grade. The real 3rd grade and 3rd class mentality is of feminists like you who want women to have rights and no responsibilities. When did responsibility become 3rd grade? When did men’s rights become primitive?

Ekta

Ekta — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Ya right! And what about those responsible women who wear salwars and Sarees, why are they raped? Why are the small kids raped? Why aren’t you replying to my comments?

I tell you why, because you have no point to prove against me.

Suryanasta is right, you have the 3rd class mentality.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Suryasnata

Hats off to First grade mentality of eves in our times that have allowed them to indulge in all kind of perverse activities and made them bold enough to spend time in bars,multiplexes and discotheques.

When one endorses frivolous activities of so-called fair sex one is hailed as owner of ”First grade mentality”.If one doesn’t than one is simply an owner of third grade mentality,primitive and retrogressive.

’Foul is fair’ for the likes Suryasnata-the owners of refined mentality.

Ekta

Ekta — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Yes we are, atleast we don’t f*** around with kids

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Ekta

Good point.The mistake you have committed is that you have made crime gender specific.The brutalities you have highlighted should be taken as a crime.No need to tell you that there are many preventive measures to stop the crime.It’s one thing to intercept factors that gave rise to such crime.But it’s quite another to frame foolish conclusions and spew venom against men community only because a women too is involved.

The commentators like you are so prejudiced and bogged down by your limited understanding that instead of discussing the issues from all wide angles,the only thing you do is to shed tears how the women community is suffering at the hands of men ?

The closed minds like you should not participate in any debate.Because if a boat carrying women gets capsized,the likes of you will simply arrive at conclusion that it was the fault of men community that made boat and boatman off course.

In other words,there are many things that lead to crime.But I don’t think that prejudiced ladies like you can ever intercept them .You people can only understand that all male are beasts, forgetting that likes of Ekta are here in the world because of such beasts !!

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Ekta

”Yes we are, atleast we don’t f*** around with kids”

Stop kidding! Don’t think that women of our times are saints! They too are committing the crimes once committed by male alone including the one mentioned by you.

But I will not use women’s fascination for perverse activities to brand all women as lose and mentally corrupt or for that matter to spew venom against women community.But you people keep targeting all men!Don’t stop.Let the limited minds like you remain engaged.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Ekta,

”Ya right! And what about those responsible women who wear salwars and Sarees, why are they raped? Why are the small kids raped? Why aren’t you replying to my comments? I tell you why, because you have no point to prove against me. Suryanasta is right, you have the 3rd class mentality.”

Only bitches advocate rights without responsibilities. Only they can say ”women have the right to walk around in whatever dress they like and can still expect nothing to happen. If men get aroused, it is their problem. Men’s rights are men’s problem. Women’s rights are society’s problem. Can it get more absurd than this?

Just because women in burkhas too get raped does not mean that women can behave irresponsibily. Its like saying, ”Even banks are looted. So, let me keep my door opened and sleep all night. Let me be as irresponsible as I can and expect nothing to happen”.

You line of thinking shows what it means to ask for rights alone with no responsibilities.

Why should women dress well? Because of the following reasons: 1. Its part of civilized culture. 2 Its about their own safety. 3. Its about men’s rights not to get sexually aroused.

Freedom comes with responsibilities. Women’s rights ends where men’s rights begin.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Ekta,

”Yes we are, atleast we don’t f*** around with kids”

http://newshopper.sulekha.com/news/a-shocking-crime-in-bangalore.htm

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/60-teenboys/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/70-youngboys/

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1759365,00.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/748365/2_women_rape_a_man_.html

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/80-teachers/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/elyria.shtml

http://surrealparanoia.wordpress.com/2009/04/19/in-soviet-russia-woman-rapes-man/

http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2009/01/05/can-women-rape-men-rp/

http://supari.org/male-rape-karachi/

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Suryasnata I LOVE YOU!!! That was soooo true. LOL!

I think Rohan and Arvind are only imagining all those boobs they claim to see.

I live in America and even I don’t see women in mini skirts or bikinis except at the beach. Most women wear t-shirts and jeans.

If the molesting happened because of what women wear, no woman would be molested in winter because they are in overcoats.

Nothing he says makes any sense.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”I live in America and even I don’t see women in mini skirts or bikinis except at the beach. Most women wear t-shirts and jeans.”

Unless you are a lesbian. I have seen enough women even in America who wear revealing clothes and show off cleavage. In India, its rampant in cities.

”If the molesting happened because of what women wear, no woman would be molested in winter because they are in overcoats”

Nobody said this. But what would happen when women wear revealing clothes and show off their cleavages? Its common sense. But feminazis want to avoid responsibilities for women. Its a very shrewd way of twisting facts.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Hats off to First grade mentality of eves in our times that have allowed them to indulge in all kind of perverse activities and made them (((bold enough to spend time in bars,multiplexes and discotheques.))))

How DARE you women leave your houses!!! SHAME on you for going to the movies!!!!

All those PERVERSE acts, like breathing free air and feeling sunshine on your faces!! Don’t you know that freedom is for men like Arvind only???

The sidewalks and the buses are for men only, the shops and the pubs are for men only, the theaters and restaurants are for men only, football games and holiday activities are for men only. If you dare to attend any of these you are just asking to be molested...right Arvind?

Did I forget anywhere else women are not allowed Arvind?

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”How DARE you women leave your houses!!! SHAME on you for going to the movies!!!!

All those PERVERSE acts, like breathing free air and feeling sunshine on your faces!! Don’t you know that freedom is for men like Arvind only???”

What nonsense! You are deliberately twisting what Arvind is saying just to avoid responsibility for women for their rights. Nobody said what you are stating. All we are saying is that you cannot walk around in your minis, showing off body parts and get perverse pleasure at the cost of men. Your rights are not unfettered and men have their rights too. If you cannot get this small thing into your head, I cannot waste my precious time debating with a feminazi like you. Sorry.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan, your time is anything but precious, With your constant use of curse words and demeaning attitude towards women, you are so common it is pathetic!

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”Rohan, your time is anything but precious, With your constant use of curse words and demeaning attitude towards women, you are so common it is pathetic”.

I hate feminists and not women. Feminists are anti-women. Many women hate feminists too as they are poisioning their minds.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

The pattern adopted by the girls in Washington DC has already been adopted by Indian girls as well.In global world,it would be naive to assume that anything happening in Washington cannot be replicated in Delhi or Mumbai.The lose behavior visible in girls there is now natural for Indian girls as well.Druken girls smoking cigratte etc. can easily be spotted anywhere in India!!! If eve-teasing is a global phenomenon,how can adam teasing remain a local phenomenon ?

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Campus Eye-Openers. Inevitably, one pale male at last week’s seminar countered with a charge of Adam-teasing. Complaining of the girls’ gauzy saris, low-cut cholis (blouses) and flimsy salwar (trousers), a student cried: ”There is always too much visible.” Conceded a Lucknow University coed: ”At times we also tease boys.” And for sheer devilish ingenuity, few Eve-teasers could match the New Delhi girl who telephones males at random, starting conversations that are hard for many an innocent husband to explain. If a wife answers, this Adam-teaser hangs up with the shocked cry: ”He never told me he was married!”

(Excerpts from an article published in Time in 1960)

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If that was the case in 1960, you can imagine the state of affairs in 21st century!!)

Arefa

Arefa — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Thank you for provoking me, Nuya and Arvind. I’ll buy the pepper spray for myself and the friends today itself and it would be fun blinding all the dogs, bitching around.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Arefa

Also suggest some means to keep hot cats at a safe distance from all kinds of dogs !!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Well then, show me an article on it from India in the past years preferably.

Women have been wearing saris and traditional Indian tops and pants for thousands of years, I even wear them and have been since the 60s, it was never a problem.

That might have happened in 1960 but it will not happen today because all phones have caller ID. In the 60s, every teenager made prank calls because that is when private lines were installed. Before that all phones had party line and your neighbors could listen in on your calls.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Also suggest some means to keep hot cats at a safe distance from all kinds of dogs !!

Again he is suggesting that all women be locked up and kept prisoner, so much for equality.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Nuya

”That might have happened in 1960 but it will not happen today because all phones have caller ID.”

It’s now happening in high tech way.Get real.You are more in tune with your stereotyped ideas,views and beliefs.You are not interested in analyzing what’s happening in outside world in an impartial way.You are simply interested in projecting your worn-out conditioned percepts.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

”Again he is suggesting that all women be locked up and kept prisoner, so much for equality.”

..You are totally brainwashed.That’s why you read too much in even statements made in lighter vain.Let’s not become so serious that we turn into poster boy/girl for stupidity at its best!!

Anusha

Anusha — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

There is no point in saying why only male category is blamed!

Once again its proved and will continue for ages till ”Women power demolishes such sick, filthy acts my men”.

Read:

Six boys brutalized a young man after trying to ”save a young girl”

Anigbo , Anambra

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Anusha,

”There is no point in saying why only male category is blamed! Once again its proved and will continue for ages till ”Women power demolishes such sick, filthy acts my men”.

Male power will certainly demolish the sadistic, nazi, sick mentality of feminists who quote one-sided news and views and promote misandry. History would repeat itself. Its not a wonder now how and what led to the lower status of women in earlier centuries. Its all there for everybody to see. You cannot dole out one-sided stories and blame men for everything. That’s unfair and feminist.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Rohan

Look at the shrewdness of fair sex.I mean the way Anusha has twisted the facts in story titled ”Six boys brutalized a young man after trying to save a young girl” to spew venom against men community.

She has conveniently hidden the fact that it was young boy who tried to save that young girl.The courage of that young boy was suppressed but she spent no time in highlighting the plight of women.

Thanks for making us aware of what biased and one-sided reporting is all about.And also making it clear that you people are not interested in sharing news and views but are just interested in placing men in the dock.We are not women haters but you people are certainly male-haters !

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Arvind,

I didn’t go through that link. Obviously, the entire article is biased. Yes, this is what feminists are doing all over and the media is being taken over by feminazis spreading venom.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

type in Eve teasing in yahoo and see how many stories come up. 1,950,000 articles came up when I tried it.

There are lots of stories of men being beaten and shot while trying to stop others from harassing girls.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”type in Eve teasing in yahoo and see how many stories come up. 1,950,000 articles came up when I tried it. There are lots of stories of men being beaten and shot while trying to stop others from harassing girls.”

Adam teasing is not even recognised as a crime. While eve teasing alone is recognised, Not surprising.

Chintan

Chintan — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Dear girls, you are wasting your time with these two.

Please follow George Bernard Shaw, where he says:

“I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Chintan,

Mind your language! I can call you names too if you want me to. When a debate is going on, you cannot escape by merely giving excuses. There are pertinent and logical questions raised. Just because you find them uncomfortable and dificult to defend, does not mean you call us anything you like. It shows your bankrupticy.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Chintan

One of the chief feature of animal like pig is that it’s senses are more tuned to enjoy sense-oriented pleasures.In other words,it’s guided more by pleasures than being guided by anything going in the mind.

The way you have reacted Chintan is enough to suggest it’s actually you who is more fit to fall in the category of pig.Now go and enjoy the pleasures of life instead of participating in a serious debate.It’s tough task for guys/gals like you!!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Hahahahah you are right Chintan, we should give up on these two, but there is always hope.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”Hahahahah you are right Chintan, we should give up on these two, but there is always hope”

Instead of avoiding the questions, you better answer them. Don’t stray from the unconfortable answers when you feel the going tough.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan,

You have never asked anything, so what is there to answer?

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

Hahahahah you are right Chintan, we should give up on these two, but there is always hope.

...Yes,there will always be hope for likes of Rohan and Arvind.For likes of Nuya all roads to enlightenment are blocked.No hope for them at all.Their closed minds will remain closed forever!!

Monash

Monash — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

LOL! The best comment in the debate so far

Ekta

Ekta — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

lol....right Chintan.

I was already out yesterday because they are the one targeting women who are educated and liberated and self dependent however not interested to bother about the other 80% who lives in towns and villages and are facing discrimination on day to day bases.

Let them cry, we’ll live our way, who cares.

Brendan

Brendan — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

I think this is the typical Indian male mentality that i heard about from my Indian friends.

But great comment Chintan. I hope this debate ends here.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Ekta,

Nor do we care about you! And you contention that 80% women suffer is what is your imagination based on the media hype. Infact, more men suffer than women. Men are yet to be liberated. Women don’t want men to be liberated from their traditional roles. Its slavey of men.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Brenden,

”I think this is the typical Indian male mentality that i heard about from my Indian friends”

WE are not hen-pecked like you western guys are. We have our own minds and ability to think unlike western men who are slaves to feminists.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Brendan

Instead of taking note of ”typical Indian male mentality”, please be more bothered about the mentality that prevails in U.S. making it the country where highest number of rapes are committed.

We are a developing country in eyes of you people.Our ignorance,our poverty ,our uncultured behavior,our chauvinistic tendencies,our bad governance and our flawed investigative mechanism etc. might be the reason behind crime against women but tell me why your land-the land of most progressive tendencies in league with hi-tech investigative agencies -witnesses highest number of rapes?

Another feature of mentality that governs U.S.

” The use of drugs seems to be a feature of more affluent countries. The U.S., which has been driving much of the world’s drug research and drug policy agenda, stands out with higher levels of use of alcohol, cocaine, and cannabis, despite punitive illegal drug policies, as well as (in many U.S. states), a higher minimum legal alcohol drinking age than many comparable developed countries,”

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/07/report-us-has-h.html

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Alcohol was by far the most common substance used, the researchers found in their face-to-face interviews with people.

”Alcohol use by age 15 years was far more common in European countries than in the Middle East and Africa,” they wrote.

By the age of 21, up to 99 percent of Europeans, 92 percent of Japanese, 94 percent of New Zealanders and 93 percent of people in the Americas had tasted alcohol.

”Estimates were lower in the Middle East and Africa (40 percent to 63 percent)” the researchers wrote.

”In the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, and New Zealand, more than 60 percent of young people had started to drink by age 15 years,” they added.

”These findings add to our understanding of substance abuse world-wide, and suggest that drug use is still a major problem in this country, pointing to the need for more effective prevention interventions,” U.S. National Institutes of Health director Dr. Elias Zerhouni added in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN01254783

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PlEASE TAKE CARE OF YOUR MENTALITY FIRST.

Wonda L

Wonda L — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

NUYA

Thanks for speaking up for me

Nuya -the reason i don’t debate with people like Rohan is because he has a formed mind like most people from the stronger influence around them

Nuya -you can see from this debate that the separation of thought is too great to mend and is why earth will always be in turmoil

Like i said it is not good time in our evolution for woman

I am not saying anything for the agreement of woman but only saying what logic sees and not looking from a lifetime of prejudging

Be well and no matter what Rohan says i like the way you think —keep your logic sharp–WAYNE

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks Wayne,

Same here, I see it as illogical to not utilized the talents and resources of all the citizens just because of some deep rooted prejudices. Prejudice is not logical, it is not rational or reasonable. Institutional prejudice is dangerous and it stifles progress. I guess I should move to Norway to escape the stifling religious prejudice of America, but if we all moved who would be here to fight for change?

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Wayne

”Be well and no matter what Rohan says i like the way you think —keep your logic sharp–WAYNE”

...Wayne,you may have your reason of appreciating Nuya.Even I appreciate this lady.But to say that she is in some sort of ”thinking mode” or that she is using some sort of ”sharp logic” then I think you are far away from the truth.She is more in tune with her stereotyped ideas,views and beliefs.

Ironically, you too know that very well(in your words she is a perfect formed mind) but for reasons best known to you you are trying to be more reader friendly here.That’s a good thing but one expects a better view from a genuine thinker like U.Are U afraid of moving against the current? Anyway, I don’t mind your observation.Life is an illusion.So it really doesn’t matter who’s who in world dominated by limited agendas !!

I would have really appreciated her efforts much more had she really used her brain in framing the arguments.

Anyway,I still appreciate Nuya with her stereotyped versions about happenings in world of females!!

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Wayne,

”Nuya -the reason i don’t debate with people like Rohan is because he has a formed mind like most people from the stronger influence around them

Nuya -you can see from this debate that the separation of thought is too great to mend and is why earth will always be in turmoil”

Well, its time I too stop debating with a person like you who is a misandrist to the core, an extreme feminist who believes in the superiority of the female sex.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”Same here, I see it as illogical to not utilized the talents and resources of all the citizens just because of some deep rooted prejudices. Prejudice is not logical, it is not rational or reasonable. Institutional prejudice is dangerous and it stifles progress. I guess I should move to Norway to escape the stifling religious prejudice of America, but if we all moved who would be here to fight for change?”

Deep-rooted prejuduces exist in all societies and men are paying a heavy price for that. Feminism is a revolution based on prejudice against men. So, you cannot blame prejudice when you yourself are so prejudiced. Wayne is another example of extreme prejudice against men.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

””Deep-rooted prejuduces exist in all societies and men are paying a heavy price for that. Feminism is a revolution based on prejudice against men. So, you cannot blame prejudice when you yourself are so prejudiced. Wayne is another example of extreme prejudice against men.”””

I don’t have any prejudices against men, I love men, I am married to one and I gave birth to one and almost all of my friends are men...as a matter of fact my best friend in college was a guy from Bangalore, he was nothing like you however.

When he was in college in America, he did not have a hateful bone in his body, he loved and helped everyone even when some of the locals were not so nice to him. That is when I stood up and fought for him, I could because I was in my element and he was not.

Whenever anyone doubted my abilities, he stood up and fought for me.

I knew how to get his paperwork to stay in the country in order and he taught me to use computers.

We hung out in the arcade and lunch together in the quad, we gave each other moral support.

Then together we found other international students to help with that horrendous paperwork and then those guys taught me more about computers...until I could write basic code for video games.

College is a very liberal place...far from the stereotypical, brainwashed, conservative agenda. I fit right in there, I am a granola munching, tree hugging, sari wearing, very liberal, hippy!

So don’t be offended if I laugh every time you call me a feminist.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”I don’t have any prejudices against men, I love men, I am married to one and I gave birth to one and almost all of my friends are men...as a matter of fact my best friend in college was a guy from Bangalore, he was nothing like you however.”

He was probably not aware of feminazism. Or, he must have been brainwashed like Wayne illogical.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Question to Rohan and Arvind....

If you were in charge of making laws in your country, what rights would you allow women?

Please be clear and give details.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

I would the choice to decide between tradition and modernity to the people. Once they would decide on that, the next course of action would be taken. Today, there is utter confusion between modernity and tradition brought about by feminazis. If the people decide on tradition, the laws would mandate a different role for men and women, different behaviour and in short, men and women would not be competitors but play a complimentary role. Men would get some priviliges and some negatives. Same with women. If the people decide on modernity and equality, it means that both men and women get the same responsibilities and rights, unlike as it stands today where women have only rights and no responsibilities. Feminists sleep with tradition at night and kick it during day for their convenienece. You can’t have it both ways. Pay the price of equality!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

How would you have people vote on that?

explain what traditional means because I am sure it is something different in America.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”How would you have people vote on that?

explain what traditional means because I am sure it is something different in America.”

Voting implies a referendum.

Traditional society implies the differentiation of roles, behaviour etc. as it used to be in earlier times. The roles would be different based on the biological, psychological and anatomical differences, as against the concept of equality. This concept of equality is being used by feminists to discriminate men. Women should STOP misusing the power given to them and the advantages of tradition and modernity.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”as it used to be in earlier times. ”

what rights did women have in earlier times?

You are still being vague, exactly what rights would women have?

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”what rights did women have in earlier times?

You are still being vague, exactly what rights would women have? ”

This shows the stupidity and deliberate ignorance of feminists. This is the foundation of the feminist movement, a foundation on falsehood and on female victimhood.

Traditional societies had men and women perform different roles. At a time when the society was struggling and providing and protecting was not easy, and at a time when there were no machines and survival was not easy, men were made to struggle outside, bring home food and protect their women. This struggle by the men was rewarded and men were the Heads of families. On the other hand, women were made to take care of the house and look after the kids. Women were given a strict code of conduct and in return were given moral superiority over men. IN those days of struggle, women were well protected from the dangers and vagaries of nature. Men were the sacrificial goat! Women were and are still sympathised much more than men.

Now, with machines available and threat from nature having receded, women want equality. Equality in parts! Not as a whole as they want to take advantages of tradition and modernity. Women, in earlier times, got away with doing the lighter work of tending to the house.

So, this is broadly what I mean by a traditional society. Men had some priviliges and duties, women had their share of both. Feminists are conveniently denying this fact and want to portray women as ”Victims” eternally!

Wonda L

Wonda L — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Nuya

You are right in all you say ,but like i said in this time of our evolution people are not ready for logic

The best we can do is observe and shake our heads at people that fight for things as if live on earth is forever

Nuya—i admire your intelligence and spunk, but for me i gave up trying to talk to a world with a head and no ears or logic

be good–wayne

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

You are right, I am done with it too.

Socrates weeps for this lack of logic so long after he and his kindred lit the lamp. Darkness reigns where superstition and mysticism dwell.

I am always good Wayne ;)

thanks and take care.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Wayne,

Logic??

Do you have any???

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

The feminist sirens remained quiet. For the victim is a man

By Kevin Meyers

Tuesday May 05 2009

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/the-feminist-sirens-remained-quiet-for-the-victim-is-a-man-1728418.html

There seems to be no empathy, no regard, no compassion for male victims.

And the case of Michael Hannon is particularly shocking

I looked, and of course, I looked in vain, for some sign of compassion for Michael Feichin Hannon, from our state-supported feminist quangos. I shouldn’t have been surprised about their silence over the grave injustice done to him: yet some small stupid part of me had retained the naïve hope that there might be some sign of ordinary human decency from our professional gender-industry.

Gender self-pity is now so deeply ingrained in the political psyche of the institutions of this State that it is apparently quite invisible to those who run them. We have lived in a political regime with a one-way rage for two decades now; and like the vegetation on a wind-blasted island, the landscape of our public morality has been utterly distorted by it. We have created a state-subsidised chorus of feminist sirens which only howls when it sees the cases that confirm that women alone are the victims of endless oppression. Naturally, the sirens — and their colleagues in the media — resolutely ignore those cases which provide contradictory evidence.

Now, a few weeks ago I was confident that the various state-subsidised feminist quangos — from the Rape Crisis Centres, to the National Council of Women, to the Equality Authority — would say nothing about the preposterously light sentence of seven years for the serial rape of a 14-year-old boy by his mother, and I was right. The fact that the judge was a woman was no doubt a factor in their silence. Her explanation for the light sentence — that the Edwardian law was more heavily biased against paternal incest was both tendentious and spurious: for the charge of sexual assault alone carries a maximum of 14 years’ imprisonment.

It’s possible that I missed some condemnation of the sentence by the vast army of feminist-commentato rs and feminist quangos: but if I did, it wasn’t for want of trying. But imagine the outcry — and very properly — if a man who had raped and sexually abused his 14-year-old daughter was sentenced to just seven years’ imprisonment by a male judge.

What troubles me most about these feminist institutions, and the feminists who run them — not all of them women by any means — is the double standards which are now a norm. There seems to be no empathy, no regard, no compassion for male victims. So the case of Michael Hannon is particularly shocking, not merely because it could so easily happen again, but because of the lack of outcry resulting from it. Twelve years ago this innocent young man was framed by a malicious 10-year-old girl, Una Hardester, and duly found guilty of assault and sexual assault. His life could have been ruined. That it wasn’t was because his family believed in his innocence.

That same year, three young Irish soldiers on holiday in Cyprus were similarly accused by an Irish girl. Only 15 hours later, after the men had been arrested on charges of rape, and under questioning from a detective who doubted her allegations, did the accuser break down and admit that her claims were baseless. She was sentenced to four months imprisonment.

Cue, outcry from Irish feminists, not over the attempt by a young Irishwoman to use the proper loathing for the crime of rape to ruin the lives of three innocent men, but because she was imprisoned at all. Condemning the jail sentence, Olive Braiden of the Rape Crisis Centre, said it would deter rape victims from reporting cases, and anyway, there was more to this case ”than met the eye”: whatever that cheap slur might mean. Anne O’Donnell, formerly of the Rape Crisis Centre, similarly dismissed the seriousness of the false allegations of rape, and, briefly appointing herself as both judge and jury in some hypothetical Cypriot court, declared that the woman’s word alone would never have been enough to have secured a rape conviction. Ah. So that’s all right then.

Fast forward to the Hannon case. Racked with guilt, Una Hardester returned from the US nearly three years ago to admit to her false allegations. Her sworn statement was known to An Garda Siochana and the office of the Director Public Prosecutions. But, quite scandalously, it was never passed to Michael Hannon’s solicitor. Michael only discovered its existence purely by chance, after his sister encountered Hardester at a petrol station. Thus, no petrol, no justice. And it gets worse. For this state then flatly refused to declare that a miscarriage had been done. Michael Hannon, having once been the victim of the law, was then obliged to return to the courts to fight for a certificate of miscarriage of justice, which the Court of Appeal issued last week.

Now, we can be quite certain if a woman had been so gravely wronged by the State in some matter relating to sexual crime, that the feminist sirens, media and quangos alike, would have been howling in anger, and demanding enquiries and heads. But in the aftermath of this case, nothing: the sirens remained as quiet as a mountain lake. For the victim is a man, so really, the injustice done to him really doesn’t count. Not in 1997, not today, and no doubt, not in 2019 either.

Kevin Myers

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

The laws framed by me would definitely be much better than ones introduced by the stupid,derailed and prejudiced minds of the feminists.They would definitely be not aimed at creating permanent rift or divisive tendencies or deep hatred between men and enemy.They will definitely be not intended at creating women NATURAL ENEMY of man or vice versa. Lastly,they will be intended at creating deep and natural intimacy between them so that this nation’s legacies,values,traditions and institutions remain intact.

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I have I have said enough on this post.So now I bid adieu to this debate.

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@Wayne and others

I am really sorry if my views have hurt anyone’s feeling here.I have no ill will for any of the readers here.It’s just that I don’t like to hide my real feelings.I can be soft-which my friend Wayne all the time wants me to be-but I just can’t ignore the voice of conscience.

Sorry Wayne!I cannot flow with the current.I love swimming against the current..haha

Chintan,your name has a great meaning.It’s time for CHINTAN to do some real ”Chintan”.You will definitely arrive at better conclusions.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

They would definitely be not aimed at creating permanent rift or divisive tendencies or deep hatred between men and women.

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”nation’s legacies,values,traditions and institutions remain intact.”

removal of all rights and privileges for women and back to slavery and subjugation and degradation for women, got ya, I understand completely now.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”removal of all rights and privileges for women and back to slavery and subjugation and degradation for women, got ya, I understand completely now.”

On the contrary, women have much more rights and priviliges without any responsibilities. Men are the real slaves in feminist countries of U.S. India and the west.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

”There are as many violent women as men, but there’s a lot of money in hating men, particularly in the United States — millions of dollars. It isn’t a politically good idea to threaten the huge budgets for women’s refuges by saying that some of the women who go into them aren’t total victims.”

Erin Pizzey, quoted in David Thomas, Men: Not Guilty.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

”nation’s legacies,values,traditions and institutions remain intact.”

removal of all rights and privileges for women and back to slavery and subjugation and degradation for women, got ya, I understand completely now.

—–Is that’s the way to interpret?

Protection of legacies,values,traditions and institutions means subordination of women...haha..haha.Glad to know that.

I respect your intelligence and being but your great ability to come out with perfect misinterpretation of viewpoints of others just make you representative of ignorance and darkness.First remove the darkness from your life or I am sure in attempt to bring light in live of others you will push your followers in greater darkness.

It’s your total inability to grasp the real essence in views of others that has forced me to bid adieu to this debate.

Yes,criticism is a good art but ”criticism for criticism’s sake” kills all the lively debates and it reduces the debate to a tale told by an idiot !!

Strings Strings

Strings Strings — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Open Ur eyes World!!

Taliban mentality can be turned towards sonsidering woman as equal human beings but this Indian Hindu mentality is hardest to change. these ”seculars” have minds of mice.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Strings,

This is the reason why we have ”Secularism” being synonymous with pampering certain sections of society. SEcularism is the most misused word in India, twisted to suit certain agendas.

And women are treated unequally? Then, how are the men being treated? Have you thought about it? Men in India are treated as dogs as in America!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Rohan,

You win, I cried when I saw this realized that you are not even human. I had wasted my time on a Taliban sympathizer, hoping beyond hope that there was a shred of decency in you somewhere. I knew you hated women, but I didn’t realize until I saw this, exactly how much you hate us.

This aught to make you very very happy, lots and lots of links of women being murdered by your friends the Taliban.

lots of pictures of dead women and women being beaten, I am sure it will bring you much joy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/13/taliban-afghanistan-kandahar-achakzai-womens-rights

http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/07/ap-stringer-does-video-of-taliban.html

http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm

http://www.rawa.org/womanhanged.htm

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025273.php

http://richarddawkins.net/article,3734,Afghan-Taliban-kill-young-woman-man-for-eloping,AMIR-SHAH

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/140.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/17/pakistan.taliban/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/17/pakistan.taliban/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

http://victoria-marie-stevens.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/12/2301130-taliban-underlines-its-growing-power-with-killing-of-dancing-girl-in-pakistan

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/taliban-kill-afghanistans-most-high-profile-policewoman

http://womenagainstshariah.blogspot.com/2009/04/taliban-attack-kill-christians-in.html

http://buzz7.com/world/now-taliban-kill-woman-ngo-employee-in-nwfp-over-obscenity-and-vulgarity-charges.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFBsVbwBgLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6vMT7WGBAM&feature=related

Here is Rohan’s list of rights he would allow women, the Taliban list.

1- Complete ban on women’s work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women’s activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls’ schools into religious seminaries.)

6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.

9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.

12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman’s voice).

13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman’s footsteps.)

14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.

15- Ban on women’s presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.

16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.

17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.

18- Ban on women’s wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are ”sexually attracting colors.”

19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.

21- Modification of all place names including the word ”women.” For example, ”women’s garden” has been renamed ”spring garden”.

22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.

23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.

24- Ban on male tailors taking women’s measurements or sewing women’s clothes.

25- Ban on female public baths.

26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated ”males only” (or ”females only”).

27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.

28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.

29- Ban on women’s pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:

- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.

- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.

- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.

I mourn your loss of humanity Rohan.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Strings

One thing is certain that you know nothing about Hindu mentality !!!

Swati

Swati — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Though i am from India and hate to write this: that i agree with you ;)

he he he...

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Nuya,

”You win, I cried when I saw this realized that you are not even human. I had wasted my time on a Taliban sympathizer, hoping beyond hope that there was a shred of decency in you somewhere. I knew you hated women, but I didn’t realize until I saw this, exactly how much you hate us.”

What are you? Are you even an animal? I cannot call you an animal. A creature that hates men, believes in female domination, a sadist to the core who wants to treat men like slaves with no rights. The Talibans are better as they provide for their women. Here is a creature who is a femoinazi who treats men as ATM machines and slaves! Hell! I have indeed wasted my precious time on a Feminazi to wants to treat men as her slaves!

”This aught to make you very very happy, lots and lots of links of women being murdered by your friends the Taliban.”

I can post you many links of male victimisation by feminazis. I am sure you would have a NAZI - Evil smile on your face seeing the sufferings of men!

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Swati,

”Though i am from India and hate to write this: that i agree with you ;)”

Why wouldn’t you? Why wouldn’t any woman do this when they are benefitting from an anti-family movement that is also against the basic structure of the society? However, is I were to reverse this and say that Indian society is anti-male, you would change your track. Not surprising!

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Arvind,

see who you aligned yourself with? Rohan has now shown his true colors, siding with the Taliban. Please tell me that you do not share his views?????

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya

Now please don’t harbour this illusion that I am in anyway associated with Rohan.Therefore,please don’t suggest that I am by his side.I care a damn for his so-called true colour or so-called true views.

I have a mind of my own that can discriminate and judge quite well.I am neither premeditated nor stereotypical.

Hence,I will always be there for Rohan and all others who I feel are engaged in some better causes in a better way.As long he is arguing with facts and sound reasons he will always find me.The moment Rohan becomes conditioned and get lost in jungle of absurd argument he will not find me by his side.

It’s association triggered by a certain cause.It’s not blind faith in each other’s arguments that has brought us together.

Roahn’s ideas and beliefs will always be quashed by me if I find they are not in league with cause at hand in a right way.

It’s time Nuya to take care of your ”conditioned” views rather being bothered about our harmless togetherness.hehe

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Well, that is heartening to know. For a moment there I was afraid that we had lost you to the Taliban as well.

I should have known better though, you seem too well educated to fall for such a savage ideology.

You know, when you talk of removing all of women’s rights and sending back to the subjugation of times past, you are not talking about something that would affect the so called feminists.

Wealthy women didn’t have to play by those rules, they had education, art, music, travel and opportunity, they had men, fathers/husbands who doted on them and indulged them.

The yolk of oppression sits squarely on the shoulders of poor women. You might think that you are no better off now because of women’s rights, but the hope that it gives to poor women is invaluable. The hope that they too can one day escape the dreary, soul crushing bonds of poverty. Even women who choose to stay home and raise children need an education.

Imagine your life if you could not read or write. How complicated would it make everyday life? How humiliating would it be if you had to ask your 6 year old to read a notice that came in the mail? How empty and colorless would your life be if all you could learn is what came in the form of soap operas on TV? How bitter would you be if your friends got to go to the movies and go on holiday but you could never leave your street?

I know what I am talking about, that is the life I escaped from. I was that 6 year old kid, opening the mail and reading it to my mother. I was 12 years old when I started driving to the store because the factory where my father worked exploded and he had to go away for 4 months. I know exactly how bitter women get when they have no options, it was all around me. House after house of women with kids and nothing to do but gossip and argue.

Of all people, you would have thought my mother would have wanted something better for her only daughter, but no, her advice to me was ”Don’t spend so much in the books, boys don’t like smart girls and you do want to get married someday, don’t you?”

That is tradition, get married and some man will take care of you. What if he doesn’t? What if he is cruel? What if he gets injured and cannot work? What if he runs off with another woman? What if he dies? That is the uncertainty you would have to live with every day of your life. If you had never known anything else, would you have the courage or the skills to survive?

What percentage of women and children live in poverty in your country? It is currently around 15% here. It was at around 55% in the 1950s, before the rights movements, rights for minorities including women.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Nuya,

”see who you aligned yourself with? Rohan has now shown his true colors, siding with the Taliban. Please tell me that you do not share his views?????”

What the heck? Whats wrong with you???

Its you feminazis who are the new Talibanists, brutal, savage and extortionists. Want men to be your slaves and obey your orders!

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Rohan

Just stop posting comments again responses made by Nuya.Enough has been said.Or else,your genuine views and sentiments will get lost in misinterpretation.We have already stated the necessary things.What’s the point in reacting to unnecessary assertions like ”typical Indian mentality” or crap posted by likes of Ekata? The debate is over.It’s time for U to realize that.

Well,it’s just an advice.If you still wish to post comments,I will not stop you.

Mere hisab se jo nahi samaghana aur sunana chathein unsein samvaad ya vartalap karne se kya phayeda.

No need to talk with individual or group of people who just don’t want to listen,understand,react in a sensible way,being solely interested in confirmation of their irrational views!!

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Arvind,

You are absolutely right! I agree with you totally. I am not here to waste my time with extremists. They need to learn things the hard way.

This will be my last post on this thread. I have made my points very clear. Women cannot take the advantages of tradition and modernity. There can be no excuses for this. If this simple line of thinking is misinterpreted with irrational and illogical replies, its better I don’t waste my time with Feminazis.

ROHAN D

ROHAN D — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:00 +0000

@Arvind,

When she was cornered, she had no other option but to indulge in violence. That’s what she has done. She could no longer debate on this issue. How can anybody debate when the basic ideology itself is bankrupt? So, break free and indulge in violence and deliberate misinterpretations.